{"id":1101,"date":"2015-06-29T19:58:01","date_gmt":"2015-06-30T02:58:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/davidraffin.com\/weblog\/?p=1101"},"modified":"2015-07-01T00:23:23","modified_gmt":"2015-07-01T07:23:23","slug":"there-is-nothing-civil-about-this-war","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/davidraffin.com\/weblog\/there-is-nothing-civil-about-this-war\/","title":{"rendered":"There is nothing civil about this war"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Since Bree Newsome took down the Confederate battle flag isn&#8217;t she a war hero? A living civil war veteran?<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_913\" style=\"width: 235px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"http:\/\/davidraffin.com\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/IMG_0458.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-913\" data-attachment-id=\"913\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/davidraffin.com\/weblog\/seattle-soup-salad-and-ice-cream\/img_0458\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/davidraffin.com\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/IMG_0458.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"1536,2048\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;2.4&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;iPhone 5&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1382199088&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;4.12&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;400&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.058823529411765&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"ice cream\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Only non-racists get to eat ice cream.&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/davidraffin.com\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/IMG_0458-768x1024.jpg\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-913\" src=\"http:\/\/davidraffin.com\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/IMG_0458-225x300.jpg\" alt=\"Only non-racists get to eat ice cream.\" width=\"225\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/davidraffin.com\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/IMG_0458-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/davidraffin.com\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/IMG_0458-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/davidraffin.com\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/IMG_0458-600x800.jpg 600w, https:\/\/davidraffin.com\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/IMG_0458.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 225px) 100vw, 225px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-913\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Only non-racists get to eat ice cream.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>She, with the help of Jimmy Tyson scaled the flagpole at the capitol of South Carolina and removed the Confederate battle flag placed there because the\u00a0state of South Carolina is unhappy that they are forced to live in a multicultural society. A group of supporters observed from the ground. But the state of\u00a0South Carolina\u00a0put the flag back up less than an hour later. In time for an important rally for white supremacy. They actually had a rally for white supremacy scheduled that morning. It was on the schedule. Someone called and said, &#8220;We&#8217;re coming for a rally for white power on the capitol grounds. Is the Confederate battle flag still waving proudly?&#8221; And the clerk in the\u00a0South Carolina office of white supremacist coordination and battle flag raising said, &#8220;The Confederate battle flag is waving proudly every day here. This is\u00a0South Carolina.&#8221; Then he (or she, they&#8217;ve come a long way in South Carolina) said &#8220;White Power!&#8221; And the rally organizer answered &#8220;White Power!&#8221; And they each hung up.<\/p>\n<p>Taking down the confederate battle flag, on the other hand, was an unscheduled act. So the state of\u00a0South Carolina have arrested\u00a0Bree Newsome and\u00a0Jimmy Tyson and charged them with\u00a0<strong>&#8220;defacing monuments on state capitol grounds&#8221;<\/strong> regardless of the fact that someone already defaced the state capitol by flying the battle flag of the Confederacy, the historic enemy of the USA, like the <em>Third Reich<\/em> or <em>ISIS<\/em>. And until\u00a0Bree Newsome and Jimmy Tyson came along, no one had the civic pride to do something about it.<\/p>\n<p>Would it have made any difference if they called ahead and scheduled the clean up?\u00a0I&#8217;m just confused about what it is that is really bothering\u00a0South Carolina. I don&#8217;t think most states would mind if I went to their capitols and helped dispose of some trash, on my own time. Depending on the state I might even be awarded some sort of civic pride badge.<\/p>\n<p>So,\u00a0South Carolina is holding\u00a0Bree Newsome and\u00a0Jimmy Tyson, US civil war POWs, and threatening them with\u00a0<strong>up to 3 years in prison as political prisoners and up to a $5,000 fine for non-littering. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>But isn&#8217;t\u00a0South Carolina insisting on\u00a0flying the Confederate battle flag <em>treason<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p>But the important thing is that the white supremacists had a nice rally at the capitol. The confederate battle flag was waving. There was some potato salad and other white foods, like white bread and mayonnaise. And everyone had a nice time and nobody got killed.<\/p>\n<p>Supporters of the Confederate battle flag, claiming they are being misrepresented would now like to have a national discussion about that flag and what it really means. What it means is, if that is your flag, you are a loser.<br \/>\nThe US already fought the civil war. If some southern states insist on fighting it again they will go down in history as two time losers.<\/p>\n<p>This will not end well. Except for\u00a0Bree Newsome and Jimmy Tyson. They are going to get veteran benefits dating back to\u00a0May 09, 1865.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/act.colorofchange.org\/sign\/DropTheFlagDropTheCharges\/\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/act.colorofchange.org\/sign\/DropTheFlagDropTheCharges\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>* The comparison of some southern states to Germany is a flawed analogy, I admit. Germany is ashamed of its disreputable past.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Since Bree Newsome took down the Confederate battle flag isn&#8217;t she a war hero? A living civil war veteran? She, with the help of Jimmy Tyson scaled the flagpole at the capitol of South Carolina and removed the Confederate battle flag placed there because the\u00a0state of South Carolina is unhappy that they are forced to live in a multicultural society. A group of supporters observed from the ground. But the state of\u00a0South Carolina\u00a0put the flag back up less than an hour later. In time for an important rally for white supremacy. 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